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Bloody Tang Rash (12/21/2003) Happy holidays! Thanks,same to you! First, THANK YOU for maintaining such a wonderful andinformative site! I have learned SO MUCH over the past fewweeks by reading over the FAQ's. me too I have read otherFAQ's with situations similar to mine, but I also wanted to send ina picture to get your opinion and see if you could help me identifymore concretely what this 'rash' is. My yellowtang has developed what almost appears to be a rash just ahead of hisspines that is visible on both sides, and he's also'flashing' up against the rocks now and then. It appears thatthe rash is under the skin (almost looks like he could be bleedingunder the skin), and it first appeared about a week and a half ago.The rash is rather non-specific. It is some sort of subcutaneous orintracutaneous bleeding or dilated blood vessels. In Yellow Tangs, thisis sometimes associated with nutritional deficiencies. The other twoprincipal possibilities are some sort of toxin or bacterialinfection. I cannot pinpoint any event out of the ordinary that mayhave triggered this (water tests are stable from week to week) needammonia nitrites of zero., and I seriously doubt that he wasattacked in the tank. The tang is still eating (Nori andsome Mysis, both soaked in Selcon),you might want to add vitaminsor perhaps garlic to stimulate appetite. If you could get your hands onsome Gracilaria, this is great tang food -- try http:// www.ipsf.com or http:// www.inlandaquatics.com but I can tell he's lost weight. Rightnow he shares a 20 gallon tank (too small, I know) with a 1.5'Ocellaris Clown (and a skunk cleaner shrimp who is still in the processof being acclimated) how long of an acclimation?, butthey'll all be moving into a 40L (gallon, not liter, right verysoon. Ammonia and Nitrite are 0 ppm, Nitrate is 5 ppm, pH is8.6, s.g. is 1.023, and I do 10-25 water changes everyweek. I have a Fluval 104 and will have a DIY skimmer up andrunning soon. Could be your filtration is just not adequate yet orthat something is wrong inside the Fluval. I don't like canisterfilters because they're too much of a pain to maintenance. Formechanical and chemical filtration, I like HOT power filters. I amwondering a.) can you identify what might be wrong with him from thepictures? see above b.) in addition to adding the cleanershrimp, feeding Nori with Selcon, and keeping up the water changes,what else can I do to help his condition improve? I wasthinking maybe a freshwater dip would help, but if this isstress-related, that might only make things worse. I doubt FWdipping would help--only beneficial for external parasites. I wouldrecommend a few large (30-50) water changes over the next few days inaddition to running carbon (and PolyFilter if you can get it) to removeany toxins. If the fish continues to act ill, and especially if it isworsening, I would get it into a QT (Rubbermaid container, spongefilter, heater) and treat with a broad-spectrum antibiotic such asSpectrogram. See WWM articles on quarantine for details. Just onefinal question - are there any books dedicated to the care oftangs/surgeons? Or a book with at least an in-depthdiscussion on tang/surgeon care? Well, you got the right person onthis one. I'm the bibliophilic son of a librarian. I have purchasedjust about every marine aquarium book published in English in the past5 years. I am not aware of any specific Tang care book. There is a niceID book by Rudie H. Kuiter entitled 'Surgeonfishes andRabbitfishes and Their Relatives.' It's a pretty book, butcontains no care info. Your best source of Tang care info is any of thetop-notch general books like Bob's 'The Conscientious MarineAquarist.' There's a wealth of info on WWM as well, especiallyin the FAQs linked to the Tang articles. Thank you again for thetime that you all put in to help others out!! You're welcome.Hope this helps, Steve Allen - Refugee Regal Tangs - About three years ago I bought three Regal Tangs from the LFS that looked terrible. Someone had given them to the pet shop because they were unable to care for them. The pet shop had them in a QT and they were on sale for two bucks each because they were really bad shape. Well to make a long story short, they lived. Their behavior is normal, they eat well and everything seems fine except that they still look terrible. They look like they went through world war three. No kidding. Enclosed is a picture of one of them. Yeah.. not a pretty sight. Their tail fins are so damaged you can see their flesh. They also have what I think is HLLE. I have tried various diets, flake, brine shrimp, Spirulina, Romaine lettuce. Only one thing on that list really sounds suitable to me.. and beyond that you've said little about the system these fish live in. Could be a factor of crowding and diet. I would consider a constant rotation of live rock, with some rock in a separate tank being prepared for use in the tank, and then swapped for the rock in the tank when the algae has taken hold on the stored rock. That and the occasional Mysis shrimp along with a heavy dose of vitamins. Also real seaweeds, like Nori for sushi also soaked in vitamins should work. Brine shrimp have little to no nutritional value, same with many flake foods, and lettuce is a poor food for tangs.. they may eat all of the above but it's less than optimal. Water parameters are very good. I just can't seem to get the fish to heal and have been trying for three years! I have never given them a fresh water treatment, do you think I should? No.. don't think parasites are an issue here, and that's really what freshwater dips are best for. Attached is a picture of one of them. Cheers
Mike F
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Treating Sick Tangs.. Hi guys. Hi there! Scott F. withyou today! I believe I have Amyloodinium in my 125 gal. tank. Ihave already lost 3 large fish to this illness that I believe I musthave gotten off some live rock I put in. I have a 7' Naso tang anda 4' yellow tang that I am worried about losing. They have bothbeen moved to a different tank and have each had 3 30 min freshwaterdips with Meth. blue and the salinity has been dropped while the temp.has been increased. A potentially effective technique.. Theyare still eating but far from acting normal. The Naso has a very darkgrey color to him. I seem to recall reading that tangs do not takecopper sulfate very well and might be better to not use it. That iscorrect. Good pickup on your part! If this is so, is there anythingelse I can do to save these fish?? I'd continue with theregimen that you have started, augmented with a Formalin-based product.This stuff is not without its drawbacks, too. Read and follow themanufacturer's directions to the letter, and DO NOT add it to thedisplay tank. It is a highly effective medication if used properly.Also ---my 125 is not fallow except for some crabs, snails, and shrimp-- with the temp at 85 how long do I have to wait until I can put myfish back in, and how will I know that they are not still carrying theparasite and thus re-infecting my tank again? Thanks, Diggy Well,Diggy- I'd let the tank run without fishes for at least 4 weeks-sixweeks would be even better. You've already went to the trouble ofremoving the fish from the display, so stay the course and wait it out.Conduct all normal tank maintenance (water changes, etc.) during thefallow period. Hang in there and you'll beat this thing! Good luck!Regards, Scott F
-Hippo develops cloudy eye..- I have a blue regal tang thatseems to have developed a cloudy eye since last night. It is swollen alittle in a couple of spots, also. Hmm.. He appears finebesides that. It is only one eye. He is eating voraciously and theother fish are not picking on him or anything. That's anexcellent sign Water parameters are normal and all of the othertank inhabitants seem normal. Is this something that I need to treatimmediately, or just keep an eye on? No pun intended? This hashappened to my regal several times, each time going away on itsown. The tank is a 75g tank with 90 lbs of live rock, a fewmushroom corals, scopas tang, false percula clown, two domino damsels,a sand sifting starfish, a serpent starfish, a banded coral shrimp anda tri-colored Anthias. I have a quarantine tank, but understand thatthese guys are too social to desirably quarantine and I am not surethat is even necessary at this point. No necessity for that unlessyou observe some ectoparasites or other infections. How would I goabout treating if the situation does not improve? You can'teffectively treat in the main tank. If everything else with the fish isok, the water quality is in check and stable, and the other fish areleaving him alone, I suspect that it will go away on it's own. Inthe mean time feed lots of algae based foods soaked in vitamins andeven some garlic. I hope this helps. -Kevin As a newbie to themarine aquarium world, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate yourhelp!! Thanks!
Terry
Mysterious Fish Deaths-The Truth Is Out There.. Hello again, Hi there! Scott F. with you I have attached a couple of photos taken of my Naso and yellow hours before they died. The suspicious thing about this is the loss of such a healthy Naso and yellow along with three yellow tail damsels and not a hippo tang or coral beauty??? Hmm..Lots of possible causes, ranging from a toxin in the water, to some other kind of environmental trauma, or even a sudden onset of a parasitic illness One LFS suggests that it appears to be a mucus deficiency but could not suggest a cause. Your opinion would be greatly valued so I know what to do with the tank from here on. My inverts and tank overall appears to be very healthy, making me discount water conditions for the most part. The only dosing is 1/2 of one teaspoon of Seachem Kalk premixed in 1400ml of water and does in a Kent drip bottle just after lights out every other night. and a couple of drops of Iodine every couple of weeks. If the attachments are a problem please advise how you would prefer to receive them?? The attachments were fine. It was kind of hard to tell what the problem may have been, based strictly on the pics. Since you indicate that the environment has been stable and acceptable, and since the inverts are doing well, I may be inclined to think that you're looking at a possible virulent disease- perhaps Amyloodinium, which strikes suddenly and kills quickly..On the other hand, your fishes did not seem to have any detectable symptoms, right? This is indeed a mystery. My advice is to do a complete test of all major water factors. If things look fine (as I suspect that they do), then you may want to consider a toxic substance at work, contaminated food, an electric shock, who knows? It's not funny, but it is tricky to sort out. Try looking at the obvious, and then go from there, considering even the bizarre..Hopefully, your search will locate the answer..Good luck! Regards, Scott F Thanks once again
Rob
Tangs With Ich? Hello Crew, Scott F. your Crew membertoday As usual I turn to you in a time of need. I have a new 90Gal. setup (3.5 months old, 1 month after cycle) It is a Red Sea Sandbottom of 2 inches, with 60lbs. of new cured Tonga deep LR. It has 2small Yellow tail Damsels, a 1.5 inch Coral Beauty, a 2 inch HippoTang, half a dozen blue legs, and a 3 inch sand sifter starfish. I amrenovating soon and had to move my larger fish to this tank out of theway while I renovate my home. After a month, since cycling and addingfish, I added my 4.5' yellow tang from the other tank. The oldtank is three years old and well established (maybe too well with highNitrates). He did great for two weeks before I moved my 8' NasoTang last week. Both are great fish with excellent eating habits takingtheir daily variety of Flakes, Mysis, Daphnia, Nori, brown and green. Afew days ago the yellow had a red blemish on his tail, not near hisspine but mid tail, (he did not appear to damage it in transport) thenhe got chalky looking with a good bout of Ick all within a two dayperiod. Meanwhile my Naso has developed a brown/red looking flake onhis side, appears to be Ick'ed and has a clouding eye. I have neverhad a sick fish let alone an outbreak in my tanks. Not such anunusual occurrence with touchy fishes like tangs. They don't alwaystake well to dramatic environmental changes Please advise my bestcourse of action. I fear returning them to their original tank as Ihave plenty of other healthy stock in there, I do have a small, smallquarantine tank but I am sure that such large fish will be so stressedin the 15 gallon tank that it wont be worth while. The Coral Beauty,two damsels, and Hippo are not exhibiting these symptoms but they areall darker colored so likely wont show as much. Saturday I introduced ayoung cleaner shrimp, which of course everyone wants attentionfrom Come to think of it, besides Ich on the pasty lookingYellow, they hadn't been showing any of these symptoms until hearrived. Respiration seems ok, except when Naso gets all upset at theirritation and swims around quickly. Thanks again for your help!Regards Rob Lipic Well, Rob- it certainly sounds like a parasiticdisease of some sort- quite possibly ich. I suppose the best course ofaction would be to utilize some freshwater dips and the administeringof a formalin-based product in a large container of water, such as aRubbermaid, if you don't have an extra tank largeenough. I do use copper to treat ich, but it's notalways a good idea to use with tangs, as it can potentially damagetheir digestive fauna. It may be a conservative approach, but you maywant to treat all of the fishes in this manner, just to be on the safeside..Do consult the WWM site for much more detailed information onapproaches to treating this and other parasitic diseases. Regards,Scott F
Yellow eyed-tang Hey guys, I recently bought a yellow-eye andhe seems to have splotches on him and he looks like he is bouncing onthe top of the water.. have you seen this before ? Yes. Sometimesjust resultant stress from shipping, handling.. but can be indicationof other (environmental, parasitic..) disease. Please read throughwww.WetWebMedia.com re the genus Ctenochaetus tangs, Tang Disease..and where you lead yourself through the linked files (at top, in blue).Bob Fenner Paul Rawlings
Re: Yellow eyed-tang FW dip ? Ihave heard of this.. Freshwater and de-chlorinate it ??? Time tosend you back.. to www.WetWebMedia.com, please use the search tool(bottom left) on the homepage, with your terms 'freshwaterdip'. Bob Fenner Paul Rawlings
Breathless Tang? Hi Crew, Scott F. your Crew membertoday! I hope all is well with you. I am experiencing anissue with my 55 gallon QT. Many of the fish in this tankappear to be gilling rapidly. I have noticed this with a6' Powder Blue Tang, a 2.5' Purple Tang and possibly with asmall porcupine puffer. None of these fish are breathing atthe top of the water (in fact, they nearly all stay toward thebottom). I am most concerned about the Powder Blue Tang,which is gilling at approximately 3 cycles / second. Is thisnormal behavior? Seems a bit fast to me, but probably acceptable ifthe fish is behaving normally otherwise. High oxygenation (i.e.;aggressive aeration of the water) will help meet the fish'sneeds Possibly I am just imagining a problem, but this seems veryfast to me. The Purple Tang's gill rate is approximately4-5 per second but it just seems to be generally excitable and I amunsure that this rate is consistent, whereas the Powder Blue's gillrate never decreases. Hmm.. I assume this is an indication oflow oxygen level in the water (or possibly gill / parasite issues) butI have a skimmer and a dual BioWheel Penguin filter in the tank, whichsignificantly ripples the water surface as the water fallsapproximately ?' from the filter outlet. After noticingthis rapid gilling, I performed a 25 water change, lowered thetemperature by 2 degrees and I have also added a sponge filter, aventuri powerhead and 100 drops of Methylene blue. This didnot appear to reduce the rapid gilling. Is the fish displaying anyother difficulties, such as swimming; any signs of mucus or otherdiscoloration? Is the fish feeding? Water parameters: Salinity =1.0235 S.G., Temp = 80 degrees F, Ammonia = 0, Nitrite = 0, Nitrate =20 PPM. Cu++ = 2.0 PPM (Chelated - CopperSafe ). What do youthink is causing this rapid gilling? What do you recommendfor correcting this problem? Greg I like copper sulphate to curespecific problems, such as Cryptocaryon or Amyloodinium, but Idon't think it's a good idea to use it as a prophylactic. Itcan create some physiological challenges for some fishes, particularlytangs, which may have difficulties digesting food, etc. with continuedexposure. Unless you are experiencing some diseases with these fishes,I'd discontinue the copper use for a while. Utilize water changesand Poly Filter to help remove some of the copper. Keep a close eye onthings, and be prepared to take action if it becomes necessary. Goodluck! Regards, Scott F
Breathless Tang (Pt. 2) Thanks for the replyScott. Yes, the fish do appear to be acting otherwise normalaside from the rapid gilling. That's good news! Oncepossibly exception is the Powder Blue, which 'twirls' slowlyon its pectoral fins while sitting on the bottom of thetank. It is not swimming around rapidly but just slowlyrotating around. Hmm..could be worth keeping him under closerscrutiny Regarding the Copper; I did not originally have CopperSafein my QT but, after about one week in the QT I had a minor Cryptocaryonoutbreak so I added copper. The good news is that today allfish appear to be doing much better. Gotcha..good move. I wasconcerned that there was a 'baseline' copper concentration inthe water. Glad to see you treating in the QT! Maybe I just did notwait long enough for the added oxygenation attempts to take affect, themethyl blue helped ease a gill parasite problem, thepreviously-elevated temperature was stressing-out the fish or.. whoknows. All fish do appear to be looking much happier todaythough (although the Powder Blue is still gilling a little fast - maybetwice per second) but at least I think we are headed in a betterdirection now. Good to hear. I think that the corrective steps youtook made sense.. As always, thank you for the terrific serviceyou provide all of us!-- Greg You're quite welcome! Thanks forthe kind words! I think that with a little close observation and TLC,the fish should recover and thrive just fine! Regards, Scott F.
Zebrasoma stocking Thank you for the help Mike! Regardingyour comment about stressing-out the Purple tang to the point it getsich; I QT all new fish for at least four weeks before adding them to mymain tank. that is what everyone should do! If anysigns of ich are present, I add Copper or CLOUT and keep them in QT forfour weeks after the last signs of ich. I cannot use copperin my main tank and I cannot catch the fish once they have beenreleased into my main tank, so this is very necessary for me. OnWetWebMedia, I have read that there very good reason to expect to neverhave ich in the main tank if such QT procedures are followed. in aperfect tank this is true This being the case, do you still feelthat the Purple Tang could be at risk for developing ich? underthis strict quarantine most likely not I ask because Ihad considered using copper on ALL incoming fish (regardless of signsof parasites) as a preventative measure but I was advised that 90+ offish present signs of ich during the four week QT period if they haveany Cryptocaryon on them. ich is present all the time in yoursubstrate when a fish become stress it's slime coat breaks downcausing parasites to attach to the fish If ich could break out atany time, then it seems it must always be present either in the wateror dormant on the fish. If this is the case, allowing a tankto go fallow for four weeks to eradicate Cryptocaryon seems almostpointless (except for a near-term reduction in crypto population).yes but this quarantine that you put these fish threw ,not onlygets rid of any parasites on the fish but gives the fish time to buildup his slime coat and to make sure he is feeding well, so that he willbe able to feed aggressively when entered into the main tank Please help clear this up for me as I have been strugglingfor the best insurance against ich. what you are doing is right onthe money. you are taking every step you can. but one thing you can notpredict is how another fish will act with another good luck Mike HThank you, -- Greg Wyatt
Powder Brown Problem? Hi, Hi there- Scott F. heretoday I'm hoping you can help me diagnose what is affecting anew fish of mine. I've begun the process of carefullyadding livestock now using your advice. I added a powderbrown tang to my main tank about a week ago after quarantining him fortwo weeks. Very good, but I recommend a full 30 day quarantineprocedure He appeared very healthy up until a day or twoago. The symptoms he's showing are pale coloration ontop of the head and towards the dorsal area and a more slight palenessoverall. He darts about and thrashes around abit. There are no visible spots of any kind on his exteriorand I haven't really seen him scratch, so I don't thinkit's ich or velvet. I've tried to see if there israpid gilling, but it's hard to tell with him. That'ssomewhat encouraging. If he's eating well, that's a good sign,too. I have a Picasso trigger in there too and he seems fine rightnow, but then again that fish is seemingly bullet-proof. Doyou know what this might be or what else I should look for? Well,hard to say without a picture, but it could be anything fromacclimation/collection trauma, water quality or dietary issue to adisease. In the absence of poor water quality parameters (i.e.;detectible ammonia, nitrite, etc.), I'd suspect that this may bethe beginnings of a more serious parasitic illness..I still would notrule out Cryptocaryon or Amyloodinium here. And what treatmentshould I use? I have the QT ready to go. Is thereanything I should do immediately, like a freshwaterdip? Thanks so much for any help. Tim Well, Tim- I'minclined to recommend removing the fish to the treatment tank (Icommend you on the preparation of the 'hospital facility')for further observation. Yes, I do like the idea of a freshwater diphere as an initial start. If other symptoms indicative of a parasiticillness manifest, I'd begin a treatment regimen utilizing aformalin-based product. I'm a big copper sulphate fan for manyfishes, but you do need to be careful with tangs and copper, as thismedication can damage the fish's digestive system and cause otherdifficulties for the fish. If this does prove to be one of theaforementioned parasitic illnesses, I'd consider removing all ofthe fishes for observation and/or treatment. Meanwhile, you may wantthe main tank to go 'fallow', without fishes for about amonth, to allow the parasitic population time to 'crash' forlack of hosts. Quick action is vital here..Regards, Scott F
Powder Brown Problem? (Pt.2) Follow up on previous email: Mytang has gotten seemingly a little worse. He is nowtwitching almost constantly with erratic movement and sometimesswimming with his body at an angle. It looks like somethingis irritating him for sure. But no spots or anything I cansee on the exterior. His paleness isn't like it wasyesterday, but coloration is still off a little. This ispuzzling because I don't what to do for treatment. Hisis definitely being by bothered by something and it is gettingworse. Thanks for any info/help you can give. Tim Well,Tim- I'm inclined to think that this is either a result ofcollection trauma of some sort, or maybe, just maybe some sort ofparasitic problem (assuming that you mean 'itching' when youdescribe this as 'irritating'- signs of parasitic problems).I'd consider executing some freshwater dips to see if anyimprovement comes from this. Do monitor basic water chemistryparameters in the display, just to rule out ammonia, nitrite, or otherproblems. Sometimes, a good water change can get a fish back on theright track. However, don't rule out the parasitic angle, hereeither..Good luck, and keep me posted! Regards, Scott F
A Cure For The Powder Brown Blues? Scott, thanks for thereply. Well I took him out and placed him in the QT and hewas just fine, no signs of irritation or anything. Excellent! Gladto hear that! I left him there for a few days, and in the mean timeI thought maybe an old power head that I had in there that quit workingmight have something to do with it since it was still plugged in buthad quit running properly. So I unplugged it and put him ina few days later. I wonder if 'stray voltage' or someother unusual phenomenon caused this problem? Hard to say what itwas.. He seemed ok but I noticed he gets real frisky andaggressive along the glass. I thin k he's seeing his reflection andit's driving him nuts. Definitely a possibility Or maybeI'm nuts, but I don't know what else it might be. Well,that's an entirely different matter, LOL! He started this whenI first put him in there initially, but now I he just acts kindacrazy. He zooms around and gets all twitchy and stuff.Not a totally unusual behavior for a tang.. I tested it byturning out the overhead lights so there is no reflection on the glassand he calms down. It probably sounds strange, but I thinkhe's just a little too high strung. Again, not out of characterfor tangs. Anyway, he seems totally healthy other thanthat. His coloration is beautiful as it was when I got himand he's definitely full of energy. Having so manyproblems with parasites in the past, I thought for sure he hadsomething. It's good that he doesn't, becauseI'd be ready to pull my hair out. The tank sat fallowfor 6 weeks and I'm taking a lot of precaution now. Allseems to be well for now, thanks for your help. Tim Well, Tim, eventhough your procedures were conservative, I think that they were theway to go..The potential risk of skipping this process is not worthit, IMO. I hope that things continue to go well for you and the fish!It was a little 'touch and go' there for a while, but I'mglad to see things are looking up! Regards, Scott F.
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- Problemswith New Naso Arrival - Hi WWM Crew, Two days ago I received a2.5' Blonde Naso Tang along with a few other fish from an onlinefish store. All fish are doing very well in my quarantinetank -- except for the N aso. The first day in the QT itlightly picked at a piece of live rock but there is really not muchlife on this rock to sustain it. Since the first day, I havenot noticed this fish eating anything. It appears thin tome, except for a slight bulge in its stomach. I had a similar problemwith my last Naso Tang so I might just be overly-sensitive thistime. My last Naso was about the same size and I watched itwaste away without eating for nearly three weeks before it finallydied. From what I have read on WWM and elsewhere, my bestguess is that it possibly had some type of worms. This Nasois presenting nearly identical to the last one; it has no signs ofexternal parasites, no wounds, clear eyes and appears completely wellin every way except for not eating (and sometimes being dark brown /gray in color). I tried using Cravex (vitamin B12), avariety of foods, regular water changes and Paragon II with the lastNaso. None of this had any effect. I am usingCravex with the current Naso and trying Formula 1 pellets, self-madefood with Selcon (my other fish devour), Nori, Zooplankton and evenbrine shrimp (anything just to get it started eating). Sofar, I have not seen this fish eat. What do you suggest to entice thisfish to eat? You might try a trick taught to me by Anthony Calfo..seems to work pretty well with fish that pick. Take small pieces oflive rock, preferably something that has some surface texture but notsharp. Using the Formula 2, thaw it out and press the food into thesurface of the rock and then refreeze. Thaw slightly at feeding timeand place in the tank. With some luck, this will allow for somethingclose to their natural feeding habits, and it will clean off the rock.If the fish does start to eat this way, do put other foods in throughthe top at the same time so it will [hopefully] begin to associate thetwo. It is currently in a 55 gal QT with a 5' Powder Blue Tang(no aggression issues so far), 3 Ocellaris Clowns, a Royal Gramma, aLong-nose B/F and a Lawnmower Blenny. All fish appear to bevery mild mannered. Ammonia and Nitrites are zero, Nitratesare 10 PPM, Salinity = 1.0235 SG, Temp = 77 Degrees F. I amnow considering moving this Naso to a 20 gallon QT and possibly tryingto medicate using Clout as a kind of catch-all. Hmm.. I do notwant to just medicate indiscriminately but I also cannot stand to justwatch another Naso Tang waste away. Understood. Please providesome suggestions. I would hold off on treatments for the moment -do understand your desire to help this fish turn the corner, but thinkthat the best way to do this 'right now' is to reduce stress asmuch as possible, and I think removal to another tank, treatment, etal. will exacerbate your problems. Try the feeding rock first.. ifthat doesn't work, you might try more drastic action but Idon't see a good end to it. Now, following-up on a previousquestion -- I had asked about using Cu as a standard practice in a QTfor all arrivals since I recently purchased a Purple Tang that showedno signs of parasites for the first day in the QT but looked like ithad been sugar-coated on the second day. My concern is thatnew fish could be carriers of Cryptocaryon and have no indication ofthis for the entire quarantine period, only to bring the crypto intothe main tank once moved. Nine times out of ten, they will presentthese issues in quarantine. Most all parasitic issues are cyclic sothat at some point in the two to four weeks the problems, if there aregoing to be any, will show up. Copper, especially with tangs can causemore problems that it's worth, so it's my opinion that it'sbetter to hold off. Again, I prefer to not medicate without aspecific reason for doing so but, since crypto can be so elusive, myquestion is: 'Are the potential risks associated with consistentQT use of Cu outweighed by the benefits of (nearly) guaranteeingparasite-free fish being introduced into the main aquarium?'Varies on a case by case basis methinks. Copper, formalin, allthese are toxic/poisonous in the right concentration so that you reallyshould avoid them unless symptoms dictate the need. Thank you forthe help. I am looking forward to your response on the Nasoso I can hopefully begin to do something to turn-around its appetitesoon. --Greg Cheers, J --
Tang Post Mortem Dear Sirs, My Yellow Tang recentlydied. Sorry to hear of your loss. For about two weeks it hadbeen suffering the following symptoms: Labored breathing (gillsflapping in excess of 80 beats/min), constantly gaping mouth, lethargy,shyness and an absolute refusal to eat anything. Absolutely no othersymptoms were evident to me, nor were any of the other fish displayingany symptoms themselves. Water quality was as good as ever, with pH at8.2, Na at 5ppm, Ni and Am at 0 and Salinity at 1.024. We've hadthe tang for several months. My first assumption was Velvet. I did ahydrogen peroxide dip based on some research I did on previous use ofthe technique, the half-life of H2O2 in seawater, and the reportedtoxicity of H2O2 on marine life (as reported by various chemicalcompanies). Hmm.. would have been much better to just do astraight-up freshwater dip. After doing the dip, I became afraidthat whatever was affecting the tang might spread in the main tank, andso I resolved to dose the main tank. I put in what I thought was a safedose (100mL) for my 55gal (+20gal sump). Nothing was affected exceptfor my 4 cleaner shrimp -- all of which died (let that be a lesson tome and to others). The tang continued to show no improvement and wouldnot feed (tried live brine, garlic extract, Nori etc). We then began totreat with daily freshwater dips. The Tang would quickly go onto itsside, making us cut the dips short, to about 2 min.s. The gill flapping*seemed* to get a little better, but he still wouldn't eat. A dayor two after we ceased the freshwater dips, he laid on his side anddied. After his gills had stopped moving for about an hour, I removedhim and reluctantly performed a necropsy. Not being a biologist, I amunsure what I found. All the pictures of the necropsy are found here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/skotzaba/yellowtang.htm. I feel horrid over having lost a pet, having to cut it open, andworse still, not knowing what killed it. I would appreciate it if youcould comment on what you think the cause of death was, and what thenecropsy pictures seem to implicate. Hmm.. well, first let mecommend you for taking the brave step of performing a necropsy on yourfish. I'm sure it wasn't easy. The slides are incrediblyfascinating, but unfortunately I can't get a one to one match withthe fish disease books that I have. It looks like it could be eitherCryptocaryon [ich] or Oodinium which coincidentally are the most commonmarine scourges. If I were to pick one, it would probably be theOodinium as I don't see any evidence on your fish of ich, andOodinium has been shown to infest the gills and never show any externalsigns of infection.Your help and advice has been invaluable tomyself and the hobby. Cheers, J --
Toastyoat Tangs Hi there, I have just found yoursite out of desperation, you seem to know your stuff please helpme!! Sabrina here, I'll certainly try I havehad my marine tank for about 2 months now I have LR which is doing okand everything else seems ok except the fish. I am currentlybuying fish, they last for about a week or so then die. I had a powderblue tang that died I never noticed any illness before hand. Then Ipurchased a clown tang and a vampire tang, Yikes.. theclown I assume was Acanthurus lineatus? Or A. sohal? The former being agiant terror, the latter a giant not-so-terror. And the vampire, fromwhat I can gather, do you mean Acanthurus olivaceus, the orangeshoulder tang? Another giant terror - your two tangs would've hadsome serious problems with one another down the road at least, unlessyou have an enormous tank, so that may be part of the issue of havinglost them - just pure aggression. Not to discount illness or waterissues, though, just mentioning that behavior toward one another mighthave been a real issue, as well. both seemed fine until in amatter of 24 hrs, The low pH you mention below may have beenthe culprit here, if you hadn't seen any aggression - but then, whoknows what happened after lights out.. the clown tang loss lotsof weight started swimming at the surface, stopped eating then lost itsbalance then died. The vampire tang much fatter eating lots apparentlyin good condition, although I noticed even when I brought him he wasrubbing him self against the rocks, not much but every now andagain. The scratching is very likely a sign of ich, to whichmany tangs are very susceptible.. more on this protozoan parasitehere: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichartmar.htm Try not to purchase fishthat exhibit signs of illness (including scratching), and please thinkabout employing a quarantine tank:http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quaranti.htmhttp://www.wetwebmedia.com/QuarMarFishes.htm The tang wasfine until about a week after the clown and again in a matter of hourshe darkened, lost lots of weight and balance and died. I am new to themarine system and I change 10 of my water every week with pre mixed rowater from my local fish shop. You really might want toconsider mixing up your own saltwater, unless you have very majorbenefits with the store water; it's not very difficult, andyou'd have water on hand for emergencies or whatnot, and you wouldknow exactly what's going into your water - basically, you'dhave more control over your water quality. The ammonia levelsa fine the nitrite levels are fine Fine being what? Whatabout nitrate and salinity/specific gravity, as well? but theph levels are out PH are lower 7.4 I have not checked this for about 3weeks. Is this the problem and any tips on how I can bring the PH backup. A problem? Yes, very much so. Could even be what'sbeen causing the fish deaths - though illness cannot be discounted,especially after such signs as the fish scratching. You should rectifythe low pH, perhaps with a buffering product (many such productsavailable), be certain not to overstock/overfeed, etc. - more on pH andalkalinity here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphalk.htm . To helpfurther and try to get you pointed in the right direction(s), more infoon your system would be helpful - tank size, filtration, etc. Please dotake a gander through the linked articles; there is a great deal ofvery, very useful information there. Also please browse through therest of the marine articles http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htmas you're sure to find stuff that will interest you, and helpget/keep you up and running. Wishing you well with your new tank,-Sabrina Thanks for the advice, Scott
Tang Lost HisZip..And Got It Back! Hi Scott, Hello again! Thanks foryour reply the other day. Many gallons of water changes andsome Melafix doses later, my Tang is up and eating and being his usualself once again. Glad to hear that..Surprised that Melafix did thetrick, though.. I fed shrimp only for a couple of days toencourage him as well and yesterday morning he started eating andhasn't slowed down. I don't know if it was good luckor good management, whatever I'll take it. Yep! Definitely!Thanks again, you and the crew have been a great help several timessince I set up my salt water tank. The books don't haveeverything in them to cover each and every possible situation. CeilGlad to heart that! We're always here for you! Regards, ScottF
- Mysterious Tang Death, Perhaps not so Mysterious - Hi Crew,About three months ago I purchased a used 100 gal tank stocked with a5' porcupine puffer, a 4' Picasso trigger, a 3' Koletang, a 3' flame Hawkfish, a 3' red saddled anemone fish, a3' coral beauty angel, and a 2' Fiji devil damsel (topre-empt your overstocking warning, I'm getting them a larger tankin about a year). Then please keep in mind that until then, yourfish will be crowded - that is, they are crowded NOW - a year from nowwill likely have fewer fish. I've been fighting high nitrates,ranging from 40 to 80ppm, since I got the aquarium and yesterdaypurchased two MaxiJet 1200's to help improvecirculation. The MaxiJets were added around 2:00pmyesterday, the tank looked great when I left at 6:00pm, but when Ireturned today at 2:00pm the Kole tang was dead. There were no signs ofaggression or stress before his death and no signs of disease. Thepuffer is showing some darker stress colors but everyone else seemsnormal. Water parameters are all okay (see below). I havetwo theories on what could have caused his death; does either one seempossible in your expert opinions? 1) Contamination from something onthe MaxiJets, perhaps some metal or manufacturing oils? Possiblebut not very probable - these pumps are plug and play and the companythat makes them knows full well their pumps are going directly intofish tanks. 2) There are large wildfires north of my home and theground is covered in a fine layer of ash. Could the airborneashes have contaminated the water? Could have, but again not verylikely unless that ash were full of other bad stuff, in which caseyou'd probably have a hard time breathing. Either way, I amdoing a large water change (20) today and will do the sametomorrow. Any ideas on what else I can do to save my otherfish from the same fate? Yeah, my bet is the crowding. I'm surethese fish were at some odd form of stasis when the tank was moved toyour location - so.. stress, then the crowding, which adds morestress, and eventually the fish least capable of dealing with thestress dies - it doesn't need to show signs of aggression to havesuffered from the same. tank info: 100 gal display tank, 30 galsump 100 lbs LR CPR SR4 skimmer Tiny might pump (1000gph after head)0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 40-80 nitrate, ph 8.2, alk 8-9 dKH temp 80-81 F10-20 gal water change per week feed once per day a combination ofFormula 1, Formula 2, Prime reef, Mysis, krill, Nori, spectrum pellets,Aquarian flakes top-off with RO/DI ph adjusted water only As always,thank you for your wonderful service. David
Cheers, J -- - More of the Powder Blue Blues - Hi Crew, I am just checking in again with my Powder Blue Tang problems. Although your advice has likely not changed, I guess I am just hoping you will see something in the attached picture or some little bit of information will trigger you to say: 'Oh, I've seen this before and all you need to do is this..' (hey, I can always hope -- right?). I am now treating this fish with Maracyn, Maracyn-Two and Melafix. Instead of improving, the situation just appears to be getting worse (see attached picture). Not good - at this point you have a better chance of winning the lottery than seeing this fish recover. In addition to the large wound in the fish's head and discoloration on its sides, now its fins are rotting off. Half of the left pectoral fin is now gone and the dorsal fin is rotting in about a 1/2' section. The right eye has now also clouded over. The only slight encouragement is that this fish still has a healthy appetite. He is regularly eating Formula II, Spectrum Thera+A and Nori. There are also hundred of tiny white creatures crawling over the glass in the hospital tank. I am hoping, since these are large enough to see, they are only harmless 'pods of some sort although some are surrounded by 'legs'. I have spent MANY hours scouring the web to fins photos or descriptions of fish diseases, trying to determine what this is and how to treat it but obviously this is not working. My best guess is that this is some sort of external bacterial infection. Actually, what I see from the photos is a fish in serious decline.. Since I have read that bacterial infections can quickly take over at temperatures above 76?F, I have lowered the hospital tank temp to 75?F. I am doing 25 daily water changes (taking water from my 180 gal main tank to minimize drastic changes) and all parameters are staying fairly normal (1.023 SG, 0.25 PPM ammonia, 0.25 PPM nitrite). I have tried to keep the ammonia down but I think the combination of gram positive and gram negative antibiotics has really reduced my biological filtration capabilities. Is there ANYTHING else I can do to try to save this fish? My friend, this fish is very likely doomed. If these pictures were all I had to go on, I wouldn't bet on it if it were the only horse in the race. I'm sorry to say this, but if it were mine, I'd be considering euthanizing it rather than prolonging the inevitable. Do you know what disease this could be? It seems to me to be just general break down, and no real specific or single disease. Should I try an anti-fungal medication? I wouldn't do anything else at this point except end its suffering. I do not like to keep treating this fish without knowing for certain what is wrong but I really do not want to see it die either. You are already doing this, watching it die, I mean. Sorry for the long email but I am just want to be certain I am doing everything I can to help this fish (rather than harm it). I greatly appreciate all the great advice you provide via this forum! Greg
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Pax, J --
Sick of Ich--Hippo Tang Hi, thanks for your wonderfulwebsite, this is always a good source of knowledge!! Hello,you're welcome, we're glad it's of good use for yourselfand others. I have moved my 50 gal reef tank from my parents'house to my apartment 1 week ago. All my livestock are fineexcept my hippo tang. It was showing some sign of stresssince the first day at my apartment. Alright, couldit have gotten chilled during the move? This can bring onthat ich pretty badly, especially with fish such as tangs. It haveget worst and last Friday I have found some ick on it. So Ihave gave to it a fresh water bath with bleu Methylene. Goodcourse of action, however, it may need to be placed in a hospital tankusing hyposalinity (1.010). Since that time my tang is alwayshiding and don't eat anymore. What could I do for himnow? I really don't want to lose him.. Steve TimmonsSet up a hospital tank with heater and some filtration, andacclimate the fish over the next two days to a specificgravity/salinity level of 1.010. Keep him there for at leasttwo weeks at that salinity level. Once he's cleared,keep him in quarantine for 30 days. Offer him a good varietyof foods, perform as many water changes as needed to keep the waterquality very high, and this, hopefully, will do thetrick. Marina
- Tang Diarrhea - Hi Crew, I have a mildly grossquestion. I bought a Kole Tang last week, and am currentlyQTing him. I noticed this morning that his fecal matter isnot the normal 'string' but instead a sandy-looking'spray.' Sorry to send this at lunchtime(PST). Is this anything to worry about, or is it a naturalproduct of his grazing on the sparse sprinkling of sand on the aquariumfloor and rock? Yes.. many tangs intentionally ingest sand to aidin digesting their mostly vegetative diet, much like chickens. Orjust natural for tangs? Both. Thanks for all of your hard workand excellent advice - it really does make a difference. NickCheers, J --
- Powder Blue Blues - Hi Crew, I know you hear thisconstantly but I just want to reiterate how much I appreciate theinformation you provide! Three days ago I purchased from my LFS the(soon to be) latest additions to my 180 gal aquarium: a 2'Foxface Lo, a 2' Purple Tang and a 4' Powder BlueTang. Currently these three fish are in my 20 gal hospitaltank (Salinity=1.024 SG, Ammonia=0.25 PPM, Nitrite=0.25 PPM, Temp=81?F, Mardel CopperSafe Chelated CuSO4, Whisper 30 filter + sponge filter+ 15 lbs live rock). The problem is the Powder Blue Tang isbeginning to develop some type of wound (lesion/abrasion/fungus?) inabout three areas (photos attached). Two spots areapproximately pea-sized and one is slightly smaller than adime. These patches appear to be slightly raised or to havea few bumps within a discolored area (possibly as if a repeatedabrasion). I would not describe these areas as having a'cauliflower appearance'. The Powder Blue also occasionallyshakes and swims in quick circles. I wouldn't be so concernedabout this as much as I would be about these 'wounds'. MyLFS suggested this is not a reason to worry as it could just be'shaking off' a parasite or minor infection that will soon becured by the copper. Do believe the opposite, that the shaking isjust a natural behavior and the spots are a reaction to the copper. IfI were you, I'd discontinue the copper treatment unless you aresure there is a good reason for it, i.e. Omnidisksweeper for mac . Cryptocaryon [ich] or similarparasitic problem. Many tangs react poorly to copper and it should onlybe dosed at very low levels. I realize the Powder Blue is a notoriousich magnet but it would be best to observe the problem first ratherthan just treating the tank with something that may do more harm thangood at this point. Although I would not describe thisfish as having a voracious appetite, it does appear to be eating(Spectrum Thera+A anti-parasite food, Nori and homemade food withSelcon). The three fish do not appear to be the least bitaggressive toward each other. I do not see a single ich spoton the Powder Blue but the Purple Tang appears to have a substantialcase of Cryptocaryon. I'd separate these and treat themindividually - not only for the reasons I just listed, but also becausea 20 gallon tank is rather small for these three fish. Do you haveany idea what is wrong with my Powder Blue Tang, if this is anything Ishould be concerned about and, if so, how to curethis? Could the Copper be irritating this fish? Possibly- would be my first guess. I noticed my (Red Sea) Copper test kitis not made for chelated Copper but I did add the recommended amount ofCopperSafe to previously copper-free water so I am hoping (at leastinitially) the copper concentration is correct. My CopperTest kit measures 0.3 PPM Cu (exactly what the kit recommends as the'optimum copper level') but I have read that the proper ionicconcentration is 0.15 PPM. Can any correlation be drawn forchelated copper concentrations when using a Copper test kit intendedfor measuring ionic copper? No - wrong test. Thanks again forthe help! Greg Wyatt Cheers, J --
-Brown spots on hippo tang- Please HELP . I have a juvenilehippo tang that has developed a brown spots around his facearea. It has appeared over the last day or so ...I havebeen reading the conscientious marine aquarist to try and find out whatit may be but I can't define it for sure .. Checked out thepicture, it's hard to make out what it is. Otherwise it looks likea reasonably healthy tang There is one large spot with a cluster ofother smaller spots forming around the rest of his face ... The spotsare not grouped . I have attached a picture . sorry it is not the best--- he would not stay still ..I want to treat him but don't knowwhere to begin .. There is about 20 lbs of live rock, 2 true clowns,one yellow tail damsel, 4 emerald crabs, and a yellow-head goby in a 5month old 55 gallon tank which all appear to be fine .. Youwouldn't be able to treat with much in this set-up, as it is fullystocked and contains inverts. This fish needs to be moved into aquarantine tank for further observation. Have taken the tang out oftank at the moment .. Please get back to me quickly so Ican try and save the tang .. Check out http://www.wetwebmedia.com/QuarMarFishes.htmfor quarantining techniques. I would keep this fish under closescrutiny and well fed with lots of algae based foods. At this point,there really isn't much you can do besides wait, and it may justdisappear if the fish is in a good environment and otherwise healthy.Let me know how things progress and if you could get a better picture.Hope this helps, -Kevin Thanks in advance -- it is greatlyappreciated ... A new hobbyist .
White Patches..? Posted at http://wetwebfotos.com/talk/thread.jsp?nav=falseforum=31thread=13245start=0msRange=50but hadn't gotten any hits back yet so I thought to try a moredirect approach. There are a couple of photos attached to the useraccount that logged this thread. The clown is eating well and seemsotherwise unbothered. She had been in QT for ten days with no sign ofinfection when overnight this dot appeared at the base of the dorsalfin appeared. There is a second clown and a blue tang in QT that do notshow any signs of this. The tang is still hiding much of the time so itis hard to be completely sure. Garin Walsh Unfortunately, Garin, Iwas not able to see the pics, so I cannot really make an accurateassessment. Usually, such patches are the result of a localized trauma,such as an abrasion, etc. I think that you can alleviate such symptomsby maintaining excellent water conditions, and perhaps usingappropriate antibacterial medications or treatments, such as Methyleneblue (perhaps administered in a dip). Hope that this points you in theright direction. Regards, Scott F.
Weird White Spot on Kole Tang Hi guys, And gals,Marina here. I have a Kole Yelloweye tang that I recently got frommy LFS. I have had it for a while and I noticed a spotforming on it. Uhh. did you get it recently, orhave you had it for a while, Rem? It appears to be whitish on theside of the tang's body and I have also noticed other spots formingat the base of its dorsal fin. The skin under it looks a bitwrinkled. I am pretty sure that it isn't ich, and thespot seems a too big and in the wrong area to be Lymphocystis (I couldbe wrong though). Any help would be appreciated. My newemail is XXXX. Thanks, Rem Rem, if you'repositive it ISN'T ich or Lympho, none of us can really venture aguess with this description. Any chance you can send us awebpage size jpeg? Also, I'm really hoping you have thisfish in quarantine in any event. Marina - Recuperating Hippo Tang - Howdy Crew - Hope this finds you well! It does, thanks for asking. About 7 weeks ago I very emotionally purchased a very ill and mistreated hippo tang. The store gave him to me for almost nothing and I have slowly nursed him back to health. Have attempted this type of rescue myself - honorable when it goes well, depressing when it doesn't. He was severely emaciated, had a nice run of head and lateral line erosion, small case of ich and scales that appeared to be rotting away. On the upside he was eating well and fairly active. After almost two months of great water quality, one run of Nitrofurazone a few formalin baths and a run of Metronidazole he has made drastic improvement. Excellent - glad to hear this. He has regained color and plumped up quite nicely. He is in a 35g hospital and is almost 6' long. It is time to get him to his new home (sadly not mine) but I have just one last concern. If you look at the photo you will see his face is a mess. That is the worst area he has left. There is no infection still (to my knowledge) yet the scales are not showing any regrowth or repair. I am wondering if this an issue of time or if it may never happen. A little of both, methinks. Could he be permanently scarred? Is a possibility. Is their something I can do to help this along? Just time. Can you see or think of anything else I should be concerned with before moving him? A good home. As always, a big Thank You!
Amanda
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Cloudy eye Hi There! I have a 30 gal. Marinetank. 4 fish incl. 2 percula clowns, a coral beauty, and ared sea Sailfin tang. Also numerous inverts. Notrouble with water parameters.good to hear Tankitself is appearing healthy. So are all critters except thetang. He has developed a cloudy eye within the last 2 daysand a small white spot on the superior aspect of the othereye.normally this is caused by the environment. I would checknitrates, nitrites and ammonia a couple more times. with different testkits might I add No new critters have been added inabout 3 months.good He's kind of a goof andlikes to hide on his side under the live rock whenspooked. Thus I'm thinking possiblyinjury. Any ideas or things to watch for?I would justcheck the water quality, and feed him a more varied diet, good luck,IanB Regards, Grant
Cloudy eye Thanks for your reply. I hadn'theard about using different kits - makes sense, though.yes itdoes!! Did a 25 water change.good tohear Also ended up treating for ich which showed upafter first email. Anyway things are back to statusquo. Thanks again for your advice.your welcome, IanB
-Black spot disease on a yeller tang- I just bought a yellowtang, he is still in the store. 3.5 inches still has his'fright colors', don't know how long this will continue.They only get 'fright colors' at night or if they'reunder some serious stress. Eating well, swimming well,active, curious. Hmmm.. wonder what's up with the coloration.It could just not be very vibrant do to lack of propernutrition. I noticed some evidence of black spotdisease. That should have been enough to keep you from buying it,especially with a fish this common. The LFS owner said not a bigdeal, he is giving all his yellows a 10 - 15 min freshwater dip andthat will take care of it. That's an EXTREMELY long freshwaterdip, they really shouldn't go more than 5m, and even that's alot! He also said the fish will be good to pick up in two days.If you still want this fish, make sure you don't see anythingon the fish for at least a week, but be prepared to treat it duringquarantine. I'm a little reluctant. Will just onedip cure him, or will he require a few. Depends, if he does a 15mdip the black spot should be dead, but so will the tang.. How longshould I leave him at the store with no evidence of the disease beforeI pick him up? See how long he's willing to hang on to him anddeal with any issues that come up. If it's less than a week,don't go for it. I know that my quarantine tank will be lessstressful than the LFS, but I am hesitant, because I don't wantfurther complications. If the quarantine is properly set-up and youknow how to treat for any diseases that come up, it is a much betteroption than hanging out in the store. This way you can give itindividualized attention. Again thanks so much for helping usinexperienced guys out. No prob, I hope you've got the info nowto make a good decision! -Kevin
Dying Yellow Tang Dear all, Could you please give me someemergency advice about my 2yo yellow Sailfin tang? He hasbeen healthy but did not feed much yesterday and today is lying on hisside at the bottom, but there is some eye movement. Oh my,whatever the problem is, it's moving FAST. Should I give him afreshwater dip? Not unless he's showingexternal signs of parasitic infection. Could it beconnected with the loss 1 month ago of my blood shrimp, which did actas a cleaner to the tang? I couldn't properlyventure a guess. The 'lack' of a cleaning organismwouldn't be what's causing this trouble, though whatever mayhave caused the demise of the shrimp has now become bad enough thatit's affecting the tang. I have no othercleaners. My water parameters yesterday were normal andnothing else is showing any problems. Kindest thanks, Peter'Normal' parameters tells me very little,unfortunately. For some, 'normal' parameters maybe readable levels of ammonia or high nitrate readings--both of whichcan eventually cause stress and death, one faster, the other notso. This is my advice; put the fish in a hospital tank withfreshly mixed water. If you haven't already, start doingsome large water changes on the main display, and filter throughcarbon. If the tang pulls through the next day, then take acloser look and see if there's anythingobservable. Sorry I can't be of more help, but there isnot much information to go on here. Marina - Red Spots on Yellow Tangs - A couple of days ago I wrote telling you about red spots on 2 of my three tangs. The local pet store tested my water and found everything to be at 0 except for phosphates. He said that was the problem. So I bought a phosphate sponge and used it that night. The red spots are starting to go away they went from big red spots to kinda being spread out and pink. Does this make sense? Yes and no.. these red spots are typically due to water quality issues, and that can encompass many things that cannot be tested for. Phosphates all on their own will not cause this problem but their presence could be an indicator of other husbandry issues. Any ideas? Take a close look at your system and how you do things.. are you over feeding? Do you have brisk circulation? Are you protein skimming? How often and how much water do you change? Those are the questions you should be asking yourself. The fish are eating properly and acting normal. Are they recovering? Perhaps. Here is a pic if it helps. Thanks a bunch, Bill Cheers, J -- Surgeonfishes: Tangs for Marine Aquariums
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Please note that any dogs, or cats, still looking for homes will be listed in this section, and are also listed below.
All other dogs are either reserved or recently re-homed . Please visit out Facebook page for news and updates on
ALL of our rehomed dogs , and for more pictures and videos at https://www.facebook.com/StarfishDogRescue
Dogs needing homes: Mel, Molly and Jenny
Dogs reserved : Rosie
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Thank you :) Dogs needing homes Mell, Molly and Jenny
Mel - 6-year-old Chinese Crested bitch (smallest one without much hair), Molly 8 years old Black/white with big ears Chinese Powder Puff, and little Jenny also a Chinese Powder Puff 11 years old little brown one - being fostered in Gloucestershire in family home with adult children, 3 dogs and two cats.
These 3 little dogs, all girls, have recently come into our care after we received a call to say the owner was ill in hospital and no longer was able to care for them properly.
Unfortunately ,cutting a long story short, these girls have been so neglected for years - timid, very hand shy and their coats were in a terrible state with nails so long they had bent over and on poor little Jenny were embedded in her coat it was that thick.
So scared when they arrived
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbkuyDKImaM
They have been to our vets where we managed to get their nails cut - we have started their vaccinations- both Jenny Molly have an infected mouth with rotten teeth, so are booked in for dentals , and little Mel just needs a scale and polish.
Her nails at the vets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBRAnhQAoUw
We then went on to the groomer's who was horrified ,especially Jenny's -she said she had never seen in her life a coat so bad. They were very good even though at times it must have been painful as the fur was just like a big matt similar to a sheep's coat the way it came off.
We were there 3 hours.
Poor Jenny's coat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcbFm3K_Bsk
Big dirt lump on her head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQrQpW5KIGE
Poor Molly's coat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTfC5jAYMYU
Little Mel although meant to be hairless still needed her coat cut back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS_DEfywtuI
They were once show dogs a very long time ago - graced the rings of Crufts etc !!!! We do not feel they have been treated kindly , and for many years have not even left the house.
Despite this the girls have started to respond to us - they are now starting to feel safe and so much more comfortable - decent food, routine, kindness - they have not been much trouble bless them - they all sleep together in our utility room which was their safe place when they first came, so just night time now there - all sleep together in a basket - they eat together and are very close and bonded. Very sweet dogs who just want love.
They started to relax and play, which was so lovely to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5mcm3p9lGA
Always together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvcXHsoAjPQ
They are starting to trust me - Jenny was especially timid and would visible shake - they are very good with the other dogs, cats - Molly although very friendly is the more nervous one out of the house and always looking around worried - little Mel is still very baby-like and more confident out, as is Jenny confident out which was surprising.
It's still such early days,but they have walked around our village which is quiet and did relax half way through the walk - they have also been to a secure field for a few hours to have a sniff and freedom , which they enjoyed in the end - everything is such a new experience, but we will make everyone a positive one done with kindness and love.
Little Mel enjoying the sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqrXGWzKW1A
At our secure field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkjf6tJYsIQ
Walks across the park for the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89DyrHpe-ck
Very very early days - not sure how difficult it is to home 3 dogs together, but not sure I can break their hearts at this stage and split them - but they may change and get more confident - we will see - they have only had each other for love and have obviously been taking comfort from each other over the years. I just have to work out if it's too hard work for someone- but not sure it will be. I did not mention that they are clean in the house too. They were sick travelling in the car, but think they were scared- this seems to have stopped.
Bed time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPB39niqMqI
So that is their update so far - Vet's next week for the girls for the teeth - and spays -they have started their course of vaccinations, flea/worm treatment.
Will update our Facebook page with their progress, and this page once they have had their surgery next week.
The Following dogs are reserved
Reserved:)
Rosie is 2-year-old (3 in August) Jack Russell Bitch being fostered in Gloucestershire in adult home with two other dogs.
Rosie recently came into our care through no fault of her own -a local dog she has been with her family since a puppy.
Rosie was very shy to begin with and unsure - she had various bite marks on her which were from the resident dog she had lived with - now knowing Rosie she is quite submissive with other dogs so would have been easy to bully. One of the bites had caused a swelling which we have been monitoring with our vet and her foster home. It has reduced in size enough for us to know it's nothing to worry about as we had held off having her spayed just in case further investigation was needed - but she is now booked in to be spayed 7th April. She has also started a new course of vaccinations and been flea/wormed by us.
So little Rosie - she is only still really a baby and under her foster family's care has bloomed- she has not been a problem with the other dogs who are both elderly, and tends to ignore them.
She has been out with my young dog a few times and is fine, and also met young Ned who is a bit of a crazy puppy lurcher, and although unsure at first she did quite like him, and was running around the garden with him.
When she meets new people she can bark to begin with, and also out on a walk - but this is getting better- but we feel it's due to not much socialisation in recent months as her owner was finding things difficult with a broken leg and living in a flat. Once she knows you she is a very friendly affectionate little girl. She was very scared at the vets, but even scared she never snaps , bless her.
Rosie loves her walks and is a very active little girl - she would love a country home with woods to run free in - she is very good off lead. She is clean in the house - but does like to sleep on the bed. Rosie can jump and has cleared the stairgate and a 4-foot safety dog gate, so will need a very secure garden at least 5 - 6 foot minimum.
Playing ball up the park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCWOKXiUlps
Loving the woods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjxWhgBQDLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-71giJYpWnc
Recall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n66qraxWj6I
Rosie would love an active home - someone who loves walking with access to fields/woods, a lovely big garden for her to do zoomies around. She is not going to suit a busy home with lots of people coming and going because of her being quite shy - I would say an adult home because of this, but we feel you would be safe with visiting grandchildren etc as long as not all the time as she is not snappy at all. We feel she would love to live with another dog as once she knows the dog she is very playful - but would have to be one that is not too over powering - this is not set in stone , as with the right home where she not left for hours she would be fine too.
Zoomies around the garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNev780rL38
After reading all this if you feel you are a good fit please get in touch - we are only homing to people who have rescued before- preference will be given to people who have owned terriers, and please remember she is only 2 loves her runs and could live another 15/16 years, and this next home has to be for life.
Rosie will be spayed, fully vaccinated, chipped transferred, flea/wormed - if you feel you could possibly be the right match for her please email us starfishdogrescue@hotmail.co.uk for our questionnaire in the first instance- please do not ring.
Tang's Starfish Rescue In Venice
Thank you for visiting our page...ALL OTHER DOGS ARE RE-HOMED :)
Only the original two Starfish fur babies, Sophia and Fionna , are shown
here, but all of the re-homed Starfish fur babies can be seen on our Facebook page.
Thank you.
Sophia and Fionna the two original Starfish Furbabies
Sophia now has her forever home..see below for pics of her with her wonderful new family, or visit our Facebook page :) Sophia. 12 month old - mixed breed
After a recent holiday in Spain at Easter I visited a local dog
rescue run by some English people - what I found unbelievable was the amount of well-balance lovely dogs that have been sitting there waiting for homes since they were puppies - Sophia and Fionna made
sure I noticed them, and after working in rescue for years I know little diamonds when I see them - well 2 months later after much fund
raising both girls joined us in the U.K. As you can see, she has just had a haircut :)
This is the lovely Sophia's journey...
She was dumped as a small puppy outside the gates of a Spanish rescue( see her puppy picture) and there she sat - why she was over looked I do not know - I feel she is either a bearded collie x or a Spanish Sheepdog x - she has the most most fantastic nature - is extremely friendly with everyone she meets and boy does she loves other dogs. Sophia must have a playmate in her life as she would hate to be an only dog.
She is living in a foster home with 3 other dogs and two children who are over 10 and a cat - amazingly since arriving in the UK she has never
once messed in the house - she has got used to a car and is travelling well - she loves to play with the other dogs but is not rough - she is quite a sensitive girl and only need mild corrections otherwise she can get very unsure of you and looks upset.
She is fab off the lead and loves to run - once she has had her excercise - she is very good at chilling at homes especially on the sofa.
We would love to find a home for Sophia with another dog for her to
play with and not with someone who works full time - please remember she is still only a puppy really, and although well behaved is
partial to the odd girls hair band or brush and running off with them to
chew - so she will need plenty of toys which she loves.
Update 6 July 2012..Sophia is reserved, subject to homecheck :)
Update 15 July 2012 .Here is the lovely Sophie with her new mummy and brother..she went off to her new home yesterday..she has gone to quite an active busy family home with a ferret, 3 chickens, 1 dog and a cat.. Sophia travelled really well , and when they got
home Sophia decided she did not want the dog bed they had brought for her but their bed and she hopped on it - she is going to the beach today :) x
Update 16 July 2012..check out the pic of Sophia loving her trip out :) x Starfish Rescue Plainfield Fionna now has her forever home.please visit our facebook page to see the lovely pictures of her enjoying her wonderful new home :) - Fionna - aged 2 approx.
I have been sat here thinking how do I tell me people about Fionna
and find the home she needs and deserves - it's hard because we love this
dog so much and I have been trying to help her for a long time - but
we must find Fionna her forever home so we can help her other friends
it would stop me fostering as I have 3 dogs already so here is lovely
Fionna's story..
We are not sure what Fionna is crossed with she has the body of a
Basset Hound ,and colouring on her back of German Shepherd I think
there is a real mix so a proper mutt. Fionna started her life in Spain somewhere -she was one of the lucky ones and
ended up in a lovely rescue run by English people - and there she sat waiting for someone to adopt her, which never
happened. We go out to Spain on holiday quite a lot because we have a house we rent out there ,and in my naivety I
thought I would see if the local rescue needed any support - having been involved in rescue many many years I still was
shocked by what I saw and heard was going on - Fionna was one of two dogs I instantly felt something for and could see
there was no reason for them not to have been adopted but lovely natured well balanced dogs who loved people and got
on with other dogs - Fionna has very soulful eyes and I felt she was pleading with me to help her - she had been over
looked since a young dog of 6 months.. she is now 2 years old - and that is where my journey to help some of these
Spanish dogs started - we fund raised and a month ago Sophia Fionna joined us in the UK (cutting a long story short).
I was not wrong about Fionna and she has settled into my busy family house living with 2 children, 3 dogs, a cat -people
coming and going - I think to begin with she must have thought 'bloody hell' - but what a wonderful character- she has
taken it all in stride - she has never had an accident in the house, which I find unbelievable, adores my children and their
friends, and equally loves my dogs - we are not quite there with my chickens as I think she would still like them for her
breakfast. so no chickens - she is ok if they are fenced off. She is very chilled around the house and just wants to be
near you - she has a sense of humour, and you will find her often laid on her back with her mouth open smiling - she loves
nibbling you and snuggling up -
Out the house. we have woods opposite and she is very different she has discovered the great joy of squirrels and has
paired up with my young lab x, and she runs around like a crazy women trying to catch these annoying creatures - she
was extremely overweight when she came to me, but is almost the weight she should be now- she comes back when called
and is very good with dogs she meets. She walks well on the lead - she is ok in the car but is still a bit nervous about it, but
once she gets in she settles down without a problem. She loves playing with toys but often confuses the kids teddies with dog
toys and also our cushions, but she is learning what she can and cannot do but you will often find her with a big cushion in her
mouth ,or a bear, but she will gradually learn what she can and cannot do.
She also had an old wound on her leg that was never treated probably been there a long time - the vet has seen it and there is
no infection but every now and then she will scratch it and make it bleed again and this wet weather has not helped - she has
had a course of antibiotics just in case there is an infection, and it has more or less gone but now and then she scratches it and
makes it bleed again.
The home I would love for Fionna would be someone who is around for her- although she is fine being left she has spent her
whole life on her own waiting - retired people I think she would suit as she is so calm but she does need a couple of lovely long
walks a day she loves them - she would easily live with other dogs, but equally would be fine as an only dog if she was not left
a lot - children. yes she is good with children but I think children over 10 as she is fab with mine but they are older and calmer
and I think it would suit her nature better. We want someone who will give this little dog 100 commitment for the rest of her
life...she has a little poem she would like you to read..
' Baggage'
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed, All nicely tucked into my warm new bed. I would like to open my baggage Lest I forget,
There is so much to carry - So much to regret. Hmm. Yes there it is, right on the top- Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss,
And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame. As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave- I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain.
I loved them, the others, the ones who left me, But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me. Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack?
Or will you just look at my things And take me right back? Do you have the time to help me unpack?
To put away my baggage, To never re-pack? I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see, But I do come with baggage - Will you still want me?
Update on Fionna 16/07/2012 .. Fionna's home-check has passed with flying colours, and I will update with pics and more info a.s.a.p. :)
Tang's Starfish Rescue California
Fionna and Sophia arrived from Spain on 7 June 2012. They are both currently under assessment in their foster homes and will be available for rehoming in the next few weeks.